This is pretty much in response to a comment made on a previous post.
I think a lot of people are missing the fact that in my description of the video on youtube, I clearly state that this was a small compilation of clips from the first shoot I did for this film. I didn't know ANYTHING about the dancing that I saw in the crowd that night. I had seen things like skanking, moshing, you know typical things you see at "harder" shows or ska shows, but I never saw anything like that. Unfortunately the video got a lot of response so I left it up as a part of my research for the film, because people have given me a lot of good leads and info.
Now as I have told quite a few people through email, forums, IM, Facebook, etc. I am not making a film about "Hardcore" it is about "Hardcore Dancing" and furthermore "modern hardcore dancing." Whatever that is. The film will have some history in it, because as you said it did evolve from somewhere, as everything does. I guess I thought people were satisfied with the films that have been made about hardcore of the 80s and punk, etc. Maybe I will make a film about that next.
I don't like to offend people unnecessarily and I don't like to be misrepresented but I just want people to know that I respect history and genre, but the film I am making is not about that, it is about the type of hardcore dancing I saw that day in 2007, and I think scene kids and posers are just as big a part of that than the true punks. I will promise to represent their side of it better next time I put anything on youtube or anywhere else.
OH, and I am going to change the name of the film now, seeing that that is probably a big part of people's perspective of what it will be.
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Same guy who wrote that comment here. Yes, I see your perspective on that - you are differentiating the concept of "hardcore dancing" with hardcore as a subculture in the modern world. Fair enough.
In that case I guess the hostility just comes from people (me included) seeing hardcore dancing (or rather, the scene it represents) as disingenuous and commercialised, lacking in passion and longevity. We may be wrong, but it really doesn't matter. So maybe the hostility isn't meant to be directed at you and your film, but at your subject. It's stupid that hostility is directed at you because of this, as even if you disagree with the standards of modern -core, there is nothing wrong with a little healthy journalism.
Good luck with your film.
This is so dumb.
I hope you fold the project before it flops.
Hey man, research Boston Beatdown. That will give you some good info on hardcore origins.
Have fun learning what it's all about bro.
And I agree with Anonymous.
It seems like people have forgotten what hardcore is about. It's been whored by MTV, who doesn't know a thing about it. Everyone who watches MTV now has this idea of what hardcore is.
It used to be about speaking out about what you believe, talking about what needs to be changed in the world. It used to be about values (well, edge hardcore used to be anyways).
everyone of those kids you have on camera in the preview are morons, hardcore is not about going to shows to punch air or hurt people, these kids are pre-pubecent and have no idea about the real hardcore scene that exists outside of the cheese dick shit they call hardcore.
What the fuck is this... everyone in this film is a lost fuck who knows not a single thing about hardcore. gtfo
You missed a great opportunity for genuine research and filming. The original lineup of Iowa's Too Pure To Die played a final show in Des Moines, Iowa.
You would've seen a band that was genuinely about the music and not just scene trends (mind you, the band had thorough member changes, as well as ideal changes, but once again this was a final show of the ORIGINAL members). You would've seen honest dancing from people long since alienated by the trends of fashioncore.
These shows are fewer and farther between, but they can be found. Keep your ear to the ground good buddy.
I agree with anonymous. Where ever the hell you were filming was the worst representation of what hardcore is. Those kids in that video have hardcore completely mixed up with bad metal. All they care about is having "cool" extensions and wearing super tight pants. Most idiots, like those in that video, think its cool to "hardcore dance" because they look "tough" and "badass" Last time i checked there is nothing tough about moshing. Moshing is something you do to true hardcore music because you are really feeling the music and it means something to you. Really man, if you are seriously interested in finding out what hardcore is you will have to look further than a local show where 13 year old kids go to hang out and show off. Check out something real like.. have heart, down to nothing, cruel hand...that sort of thing. Look into it. It is a lot more than what those petty kids made it out to be.
good luck
you've peaked my intrest.
this seems like it would be an worth while doc, if you go to the right places and talk to the right people.
the biggest part of this isn't necessarily where or who you interview, as much as where the place your at came from. there are a select few scenes that started in large city's in the 80's that are still going strong, but allot of scenes in the midwest area/anywhere that's not a huge city have popped up rather recently, and aren't very aware of there history. i live on the corner of missouri, arkansas, and oklahoma, and i can assure you that things here work completly different than they would in new jersey or D.C. half of that is because of the people that started this whole scene down here, and the other half is that it didn't get started till about 95. alot of these various midwest scenes are the same way, where they through some traditions out and keep others. there's also a difference in main stream influence in different scenes, and i'm guessing those crazy kids in ohio (is that right? prolly not)had only known the commercial side of underground music, and not the part that actually matters. (no offense).
another thing to keep in mind is that since these different scene's all over the area are run by different kids, things are constantly changing. i've been a part of our scene for about 5 years now, and i've already seen so many people come and go, and alot of things come around full circle. so just a warning, things will prolly change by the time production is done, and your doc might be obsolete.
just some stuff to think about.
Oh! and you should check this guy out. i think he kindof already did what you want to do, bu8t without interviews.
http://www.myspace.com/markgwvf
i'm sure you could get with him and share some ideas, maybe even an interview.
Good luck! i hope this turns out well, and has a positive impact on underground music, instead of the opposite.
I was wondering if you needed any hardcore dancing videos from Alaska we have some crazy motherfuckers up here
Is this video for real? Cause this shits ridiculous. Hardcore dancing doesnt consist of wanting to be a karate expert. Its about slamming around. Not flailing like an idiot.
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